we are no different. Only difference between our christian based society is that they are living the same period of violence we had before (there is an army of skeletons in the closet of the base modern organized church and you know it), they’re living it right now.
Im a wowed atheist but for this womans point, i’d like to say “amen!”
All religions have blood on their hands in the past, that does not mean we shouldn’t believe in something. There is a fine line with all this. I’ve personally seen very “rational” human beings become religious, and it’s when they, in a series of events taking however long, became wise. Just keep the possibility open is all I’m saying.
i’m an arab girl & i agree with her 110% & everything she said was true, i don’t hate anyone even if ur jews,christian..etc, they’re human like me yes i’m muslim girl & hate muslim life & thinking, blowing ppl up, killing anoccent ppl & sitting ruls even a human mind will never understand it & even call themselves [army of god!!]. it hurts me alot when i see children dying with theire mothers, it rips my heart apart when they cheer & call them selves a winners. God didn’t say kill, destroy & wipe all humans from earth, GOD said:”Love each one of you, you all come from the same [Adam's] flesh”. we all bleed the same blood, nobody’s is diffrent than they other.
BUT, there’s a catch to it. Not all Muslims are extremists or hold the view that their beliefs should reign over those of others. These are the Muslims who have adapted themselves, like in all other religions, to modern thinking and by modern I do not mean immoral. Also, religion has generally been used as a political agenda to wage war because I hold the opinion that religion tends to be a sentimental issue among masses and thus to mobilize them into a movement, it serves as an easy excuse, misused by those responsible for governing the masses. Recall holy wars that botched the name of Christianity. Ultimately, religion becomes one man’s propaganda for dispute that ends up engulfing nations.
On the count of Jews not destroying people (no offence meant) the Israeli conflict speaks for itself. As far as I know that land DOES belong to the Arabs but then again my knowledge may be contested and is indeed limited in relation to the antecedents of the matter.
I really liked what she said, and I think the one winning point over all is when she made the parallel to the Jews.
“Jews have come from the tragedy and forced the world to respect them with their knowledge, not their terror” “We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church.”
I also agree with her, however, all the people who say that it is a minority of extremists: Yes, this is true, those who actually commit these horrible acts are a minority, but it is the majority who empowers them. Extremists Muslims and Christians alike are all given the power they have by the vast, silent majority behind them. Every Muslim or Christian who sits by and watches all of this happening, and does nothing to attempt to stop it, even it their help is in the most meager of ways is just as complicit in the crimes as those pulling the triggers. Just because we are not extremists does not excuse us from supporting the ideologies that give them their power. If every Muslim renounces the extremists and does what they can to stop them, they will be marginalized, and the world will be a better place for it.
Pretty heavy stuff eh,
all i can think of is why, we westerners are discussing a topic with our full belly because of the crisps and the stuffed fridge, behind our desks, some at work, some at home or school, brabbeling about how come they dont see that we are the same.
True, alot of people are getting better in there lives and they are getting healthier (except of the Obesitas States of America) but dont forget, these people dont consider them selves as equal YET. The more desperate (looney) ones are more easy to get fired up. They are jeleaous of our way of living in wealth.
We are the same, but then again we dont live the same.
Westerners as myself think its crazy to kill yourself. But the Palestineas have to be mentally tortured because of the situation.
I just mean to say that this is a hugh wound in the lives of people. Perhaps we need to USE a little less, to get a more balanced earth for all people. But that means giving things up. Are you ready for giving things up?
Now, the only thing I hate in arabian countries, is that there still remains free-thinking, non-violent, or rational people… so that we cannot bomb the country without killing innocents…
(I agree totally with the video, that was just crude humour)
that isn’t what she is saying at all. this is an outrage. i demand to know who would make a fake video like this. where is the hope in all of these internet lies?
oh, come on. that is not the truth, at all. that’s a partial side of the truth. she idealizes western society, but that society also lacks of respect for their people or other different cultures. she’d question how many Muslim countries have invaded Catholic countries, with libertarian arguments, but actually killing civilians, stealing the natural resources, and not solving anything. The creation of Israel is just another clear example that while she is right about the faults of Muslim countries, not everything is perfect in the rest of the World.
Now, lets calm down and look at the details of this video. For those of you who care about human rights, this woman lives in the USA, supports the right wing fanatics for all the wars that they waged, and plan to wage, and makes a living by telling them what they want to hear about Arabs and muslims.
For those of you who are familiar with the region, the situation is much more complicated, and this woman doesn’t have the brain muscle to think about it, she is just out there to make some bucks =-).
As for the source of the video, it comes from MEMRI; MEMRI’s staff of seven included three who had formerly served in Military Intelligence in the Israeli Defense Forces. Now if you want to receive your info from the Israeli military forces, then lets sit back and watch more wars in the name of freedom.
I am inclined to agree with Muhammad. I would like to have heard the entire debate. Still, whatever the source, she makes a hell of a good argument. If the Arabs would roll up their sleeves and do something positive instead of whining and blaming everybody else for their plight, they would be a lot better off and a lot more respected.
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And what about the “terrorism” of America, like the daily bombings of Iraq during the 1990s? Giving both sides weapons in the Iran/Iraq War? Doesn’t that contribute to the negative view of the West.
Please. A bit of perspective here. If people do not wish to live as Muslims and accept the cultural oppression, move away and start your life elsewhere.
“She is a heretic!”, “the site’s founders had ties with Isreali intelligence!”, and “they did it, too!” are not rational responses. They are emotional, almost childish reactions used to dismiss her arguments rather than respond to them. This is the very sort of thought process that is at issue — a non-rational, religious intolerance of other belief systems which is used to justify violence and murder for political purposes.
The American bombing of Iraq and most of the early Isreali terrorism were done for reasoned political purposes (whether or not you agree with the reasoning). They were not (with the exception of some Isrealis then and now) done for or justified by religious zeal.
It is also true that Christianity has gone through its irrational episodes (such as the Crusades and the Inquisition) which today are variously viewed as embarrassing, troubling, or applalling. This is because Christianity went through an Age of Reason and matured into societies based on tolerance, rational discourse, and mututal secular interests. The question is whether Islam (Moslems in general and Arabs in particular) will do the same or will continue to encourage their fundamentalists on a path of intolerance and violence.
That is really what she is talking about. And it deserves thoughtful and rational responses, not emotional or dismissive ones.
Fantastic.Its so great to hear these things from a woman.
But try to see the idiot she try to convince.He smile (”she is an idiot”)and try to ridicule her.He still live (or would like) to live in the middleage.
Of course.
The laws in muslim countrys,is laws made for men,by men!
Wow, this was on Al-Jazeera too. This woman’s argument goes pretty heavily against the agenda of that network. I’m glad the man’s main response was “if you’re a heretic there’s no point in even rebuking you”. Way to be tolerant. If only more people held her view in the Arab countries.
I am amazed at the stupidity of mankind. There once was a comic i read called the history of religion. A caveman was praying to a rock, another man asked why, the caveman said it was sacred. The other man began to say that it was just an ordinary rock but before he could finish the caveman began killing him with the rock screaming”non believer heretic!” After the poor man is dead the caveman resumes praying explaining to the rock that the man was an infidel and deserved his fate.
This is the basic reaction we see in middle eastern Muslim extremists, while it is not without pointing out that almost all religions have done this it is still a valid assertion to say that Muslims refuse to accept the ways of the changing world.
Blasting buildings and people into rubble is a great way to bring the world back to the stone age and back to their way of thinking, only problem is ideas are harder to blow up than buildings and people.
–Proud Agnostic
Believe what you want just leave my buildings and family alone.
Well said, except for generalization of Muslims and people of other beliefs… Although the guy on this clip seems like he fits into this generalization. yeah.
That religious dude, just can’t believe what she’s saying. He’s condemning her and implying that whatever she says is pointless because she’s a heretic.
I can’t believe we still backward people out there that believe in magic and voodoo.
I c all of ya flapping ur jaws, talking shit saying that she is right, well before you judhe someone get ur fuckign heads of out the hole and read some books to know what islam is all about, invading a country and killing children and women, for some reason that is okay for the fucking jews to do, and why when the jew grows his beard itrs okay, but when a muslim does, he an extremist, fuck this bitch, she should be barried alive for disbelieving in god, OHHHH by the way if ur wondering im not muslim, but i know lots about it
From what I am led to believe (and I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong) is that the scriptures/book of Muslim beliefs is that anyone who does not believe, does not deserve to live. And it is the responsability of the committed Muslim to enforce the belief or kill those who won’t believe.
Every religion has followers of various extents, eg Christian, can go to church, pray at home, or just pray when need guidance. I am sure that Muslims are the same. But the notion that a ‘religion’ to follow at any level orders it’s followers to kill the non-believers is a threat. What happens when immigration allows more and more religious rules to be integrated into laws?
Here in Australia, we had a Muslim lady go through court to legally be allowed to have her face covered for her drivers licence photo. What form of identification is that? Those who immigrate must adapt, or choose to stay in their own country.
Anyway, I was contemplating becoming an athiest but with this credit crisis, I didn’t want to be part of a non-prophet organisation.
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
Now she knows best. Everybody listen to her.
Her words will someday be heard by thousands maybe even millions listen to her knowledge and use it for the better good of humankind, not just war.
we are no different. Only difference between our christian based society is that they are living the same period of violence we had before (there is an army of skeletons in the closet of the base modern organized church and you know it), they’re living it right now.
Im a wowed atheist but for this womans point, i’d like to say “amen!”
I wish she was related to me, >:]
lol.
Yeh, I’m an Athiest too, but I am respectful to all religions.
I’m surprised she hasn’t been beheaded yet.
yeah chances are she’ll just “randomly disappear” or get assasinated, but i totally agree with her 100%
makes me glad thank i have no beliefs, or you know what we should start a chuch of this lady
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All religions have blood on their hands in the past, that does not mean we shouldn’t believe in something. There is a fine line with all this. I’ve personally seen very “rational” human beings become religious, and it’s when they, in a series of events taking however long, became wise. Just keep the possibility open is all I’m saying.
But with this lady, yes I agree 110%
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i’m an arab girl & i agree with her 110% & everything she said was true, i don’t hate anyone even if ur jews,christian..etc, they’re human like me yes i’m muslim girl & hate muslim life & thinking, blowing ppl up, killing anoccent ppl & sitting ruls even a human mind will never understand it & even call themselves [army of god!!]. it hurts me alot when i see children dying with theire mothers, it rips my heart apart when they cheer & call them selves a winners. God didn’t say kill, destroy & wipe all humans from earth, GOD said:”Love each one of you, you all come from the same [Adam's] flesh”. we all bleed the same blood, nobody’s is diffrent than they other.
i agree 110% with her and with BLonDDyKe
so eloquent, so full of truth
… and all I can say is “I couldn’t agree more”
BUT, there’s a catch to it. Not all Muslims are extremists or hold the view that their beliefs should reign over those of others. These are the Muslims who have adapted themselves, like in all other religions, to modern thinking and by modern I do not mean immoral. Also, religion has generally been used as a political agenda to wage war because I hold the opinion that religion tends to be a sentimental issue among masses and thus to mobilize them into a movement, it serves as an easy excuse, misused by those responsible for governing the masses. Recall holy wars that botched the name of Christianity. Ultimately, religion becomes one man’s propaganda for dispute that ends up engulfing nations.
On the count of Jews not destroying people (no offence meant) the Israeli conflict speaks for itself. As far as I know that land DOES belong to the Arabs but then again my knowledge may be contested and is indeed limited in relation to the antecedents of the matter.
I really liked what she said, and I think the one winning point over all is when she made the parallel to the Jews.
“Jews have come from the tragedy and forced the world to respect them with their knowledge, not their terror” “We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church.”
she’s speaking the truth.
but peaceful muslims are truley the minority. the koran does speak of killing people who do not follow the same faith.
I also agree with her, however, all the people who say that it is a minority of extremists: Yes, this is true, those who actually commit these horrible acts are a minority, but it is the majority who empowers them. Extremists Muslims and Christians alike are all given the power they have by the vast, silent majority behind them. Every Muslim or Christian who sits by and watches all of this happening, and does nothing to attempt to stop it, even it their help is in the most meager of ways is just as complicit in the crimes as those pulling the triggers. Just because we are not extremists does not excuse us from supporting the ideologies that give them their power. If every Muslim renounces the extremists and does what they can to stop them, they will be marginalized, and the world will be a better place for it.
Pretty heavy stuff eh,
all i can think of is why, we westerners are discussing a topic with our full belly because of the crisps and the stuffed fridge, behind our desks, some at work, some at home or school, brabbeling about how come they dont see that we are the same.
True, alot of people are getting better in there lives and they are getting healthier (except of the Obesitas States of America) but dont forget, these people dont consider them selves as equal YET. The more desperate (looney) ones are more easy to get fired up. They are jeleaous of our way of living in wealth.
We are the same, but then again we dont live the same.
Westerners as myself think its crazy to kill yourself. But the Palestineas have to be mentally tortured because of the situation.
I just mean to say that this is a hugh wound in the lives of people. Perhaps we need to USE a little less, to get a more balanced earth for all people. But that means giving things up. Are you ready for giving things up?
Good for her, she’s absolutely right and I hope she stays safe coz the nuts will be after her.
Now, the only thing I hate in arabian countries, is that there still remains free-thinking, non-violent, or rational people… so that we cannot bomb the country without killing innocents…
(I agree totally with the video, that was just crude humour)
I would like to buy that lady a cigar, (which would only further piss off those 11th century idealists who would convert by the sword!)
that isn’t what she is saying at all. this is an outrage. i demand to know who would make a fake video like this. where is the hope in all of these internet lies?
oh, come on. that is not the truth, at all. that’s a partial side of the truth. she idealizes western society, but that society also lacks of respect for their people or other different cultures. she’d question how many Muslim countries have invaded Catholic countries, with libertarian arguments, but actually killing civilians, stealing the natural resources, and not solving anything. The creation of Israel is just another clear example that while she is right about the faults of Muslim countries, not everything is perfect in the rest of the World.
Wow… Respect. Perhaps a little of this kind of enlightenment would be good for Western extremists as well…
Now, lets calm down and look at the details of this video. For those of you who care about human rights, this woman lives in the USA, supports the right wing fanatics for all the wars that they waged, and plan to wage, and makes a living by telling them what they want to hear about Arabs and muslims.
For those of you who are familiar with the region, the situation is much more complicated, and this woman doesn’t have the brain muscle to think about it, she is just out there to make some bucks =-).
As for the source of the video, it comes from MEMRI; MEMRI’s staff of seven included three who had formerly served in Military Intelligence in the Israeli Defense Forces. Now if you want to receive your info from the Israeli military forces, then lets sit back and watch more wars in the name of freedom.
edited video, Who ever posted this video should have posted the complete debate so people could hear the views of both debaters.
I am inclined to agree with Muhammad. I would like to have heard the entire debate. Still, whatever the source, she makes a hell of a good argument. If the Arabs would roll up their sleeves and do something positive instead of whining and blaming everybody else for their plight, they would be a lot better off and a lot more respected.
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It’s conveniently forgotten here that there was terrorism during the founding of Israel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
And what about the “terrorism” of America, like the daily bombings of Iraq during the 1990s? Giving both sides weapons in the Iran/Iraq War? Doesn’t that contribute to the negative view of the West.
Please. A bit of perspective here. If people do not wish to live as Muslims and accept the cultural oppression, move away and start your life elsewhere.
How many people die in the name of a god, any god? To DAM many, that’s how many! STOP IT, DUMB ASS….
“She is a heretic!”, “the site’s founders had ties with Isreali intelligence!”, and “they did it, too!” are not rational responses. They are emotional, almost childish reactions used to dismiss her arguments rather than respond to them. This is the very sort of thought process that is at issue — a non-rational, religious intolerance of other belief systems which is used to justify violence and murder for political purposes.
The American bombing of Iraq and most of the early Isreali terrorism were done for reasoned political purposes (whether or not you agree with the reasoning). They were not (with the exception of some Isrealis then and now) done for or justified by religious zeal.
It is also true that Christianity has gone through its irrational episodes (such as the Crusades and the Inquisition) which today are variously viewed as embarrassing, troubling, or applalling. This is because Christianity went through an Age of Reason and matured into societies based on tolerance, rational discourse, and mututal secular interests. The question is whether Islam (Moslems in general and Arabs in particular) will do the same or will continue to encourage their fundamentalists on a path of intolerance and violence.
That is really what she is talking about. And it deserves thoughtful and rational responses, not emotional or dismissive ones.
Fantastic.Its so great to hear these things from a woman.
But try to see the idiot she try to convince.He smile (”she is an idiot”)and try to ridicule her.He still live (or would like) to live in the middleage.
Of course.
The laws in muslim countrys,is laws made for men,by men!
Wow, this was on Al-Jazeera too. This woman’s argument goes pretty heavily against the agenda of that network. I’m glad the man’s main response was “if you’re a heretic there’s no point in even rebuking you”. Way to be tolerant. If only more people held her view in the Arab countries.
I Approve, Not only does the middle east need more people that think like her, but the entire planet needs more people like her.
she is right. join the jedi’s..
may the force be with you..
I am amazed at the stupidity of mankind. There once was a comic i read called the history of religion. A caveman was praying to a rock, another man asked why, the caveman said it was sacred. The other man began to say that it was just an ordinary rock but before he could finish the caveman began killing him with the rock screaming”non believer heretic!” After the poor man is dead the caveman resumes praying explaining to the rock that the man was an infidel and deserved his fate.
This is the basic reaction we see in middle eastern Muslim extremists, while it is not without pointing out that almost all religions have done this it is still a valid assertion to say that Muslims refuse to accept the ways of the changing world.
Blasting buildings and people into rubble is a great way to bring the world back to the stone age and back to their way of thinking, only problem is ideas are harder to blow up than buildings and people.
–Proud Agnostic
Believe what you want just leave my buildings and family alone.
Well said, except for generalization of Muslims and people of other beliefs… Although the guy on this clip seems like he fits into this generalization. yeah.
Is she still safe, I hope? Anyone know?
An impressive and powerful speech.. Does anyone know who this women was? Her name? ..Or where i could find a video of the unedited debate.
she´s right!
we need to radically change our minds to save this world!
peace to everybody out there!
That religious dude, just can’t believe what she’s saying. He’s condemning her and implying that whatever she says is pointless because she’s a heretic.
I can’t believe we still backward people out there that believe in magic and voodoo.
Good for her. She’s got some balls!
i like her
the only point that she said was a bit “neh” was when she said that Muslims burn down churches because it is a stereotype
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SHE DOESNOT know any think about islam
islam means peace..
and when the jews kills the muslims ppl n palastine they r not terrorist,, ?
and when U.S went to Iraq and killed thousands of muslims childrens and woman ,, they r not terrorists?
she is very antithetic ,, doesnot tell the truth..
and she is the backward ,, coz she doesnot even believe n god ..
she is an idiot… piss n her..
noby, that right there is the reason why you should be killed… i really hope you fall in front of a train dude
I c all of ya flapping ur jaws, talking shit saying that she is right, well before you judhe someone get ur fuckign heads of out the hole and read some books to know what islam is all about, invading a country and killing children and women, for some reason that is okay for the fucking jews to do, and why when the jew grows his beard itrs okay, but when a muslim does, he an extremist, fuck this bitch, she should be barried alive for disbelieving in god, OHHHH by the way if ur wondering im not muslim, but i know lots about it
From what I am led to believe (and I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong) is that the scriptures/book of Muslim beliefs is that anyone who does not believe, does not deserve to live. And it is the responsability of the committed Muslim to enforce the belief or kill those who won’t believe.
Every religion has followers of various extents, eg Christian, can go to church, pray at home, or just pray when need guidance. I am sure that Muslims are the same. But the notion that a ‘religion’ to follow at any level orders it’s followers to kill the non-believers is a threat. What happens when immigration allows more and more religious rules to be integrated into laws?
Here in Australia, we had a Muslim lady go through court to legally be allowed to have her face covered for her drivers licence photo. What form of identification is that? Those who immigrate must adapt, or choose to stay in their own country.
Anyway, I was contemplating becoming an athiest but with this credit crisis, I didn’t want to be part of a non-prophet organisation.